Date: 2016-07-04 06:54 am (UTC)
Берусь предполагать с вероятностью, бесконечно близкой к 1, что для любого либерала, произносящего эту фразу, "Карфаген" - абстрактный символ политического образования, которое должно быть уничтожено. Без каких-либо исторических аналогий с реальным Карфагеном.
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